Wednesday, 30 April 2014

Al-kimiya

Christina Rose looked cross when I finally entered the glasshouse, or at least she made the face of it. I had kept her waiting and the air was hot, thick with the scent of orange blossom and wafting pollen. Beneath the new tendrils of the kiwi vines, speckled shade was dotted with the cheerful citrus hues of marigolds. Hoverflies trembled the still air as they danced between the limnanthes, the flowers spilling across the beds like heaped platters of poached eggs.

“You took your time, Michael,” in a not-quite-chiding tone.

“Distillation is a finicky business, Chris. My apprentice is doing well, but I can't leave her alone with it yet.”

“Distilling?” A raised eyebrow, more inquisitive than inquisitorial.

“Peppermint,” I began.

“It's a bit early in the year for that, isn't it?”

“The crop was ready. Mint doesn't understand the calendar, only the weather.”

Chris gave a wry half-laugh. “I'm glad someone understands it. I certainly don't any more.”

“No,” I sighed, “And the lavender won't be long either.”

A dark shadow appeared to cross her face, a misgiving, maybe. “I know it's a busy time for you, Michael, but I need you to do something for me, for the farm.”

She paused.

“A candidate. Check him out.”





New Alchemy Farm – my home, workplace, refuge, call it what you will - is a closed community, nominally a cooperative, but one in which all its members invariably defer to Christina Rose. We have a written constitution and democratic forms, but that's mostly honoured in the breach. Christina decides, we agree. It works for us.

We don't take new members lightly; after all, there's only so much land. Any new candidates have to bring something to the table. It's hard, but it's a hard world now. Refugees get a meal, shelter for the night, and a speedy farewell, and that's a meal and a rest more than they get anywhere else. Unless they can bring something to the table, of course, in which case we'll extend the welcome for a week or so. We don't tell them they are candidates, but if we – that is Christina – are happy, then they're invited to stay. Candidates usually come to us, which is why I was so surprised at Christina's request. It had been decades since I last went into the city and I must admit I felt some trepidation at the prospect. 





The travelling party was small. Myself, of course, Jake, the laconic Scot who had served in some never-specified regiment during an equally unspecified war, and Yusuf, a recent refugee who'd arrived one day with a haunted look and an unusual facility for weaving and tailoring which we appreciated enough to let him stay. 

Jake is a wily old coot, and if you ever need anyone watching your back, then Jake's your man. That's why he was with us. Going into the city these days, it's good to have someone to watch your back. Jake always keeps one ear to the ground, and some might think him over-cautious, but it's a caution that has kept him alive in some tough situations. 
Yusuf was wearing more than one hat, though. His well-muscled six-foot frame and steely gaze were deterrent enough for the sort of miscreant the road might offer, but more importantly, he was our introduction to the candidate. For all that I was wearing a few items of his handiwork, I still didn't really know Yusuf by then, he tends to the quiet side, but there's nothing like a journey to get to know someone. Jake I've known for years, almost since he was first stranded south of the border during the troubles that followed the dissolution of the Union.

It's only seven miles to the city but we gathered as the sun rose over the rolling fields. In my youth I could walk there in a couple of hours. In my youth I didn't need to, though, because buses still ran and then later I could drive. Now only military vehicles could be seen on the road, though rarely this far from London.

“You've decided on a route?” Jake asked as I locked up the workshop.

“I was thinking of the old railway line, then the old A50 as we may as well stop off at Dr. John's and deliver this.” I held up the rucksack full of supplies. Jake looked dubious.

“That's under. I prefer over.”

“It all depends, Jake. You told me yourself that the Squire's men have been patrolling recently. No-one's been robbed down there for months.”

Yusuf was looking confused. “Under or over what?”

“The motorway,” I explained. “We have to cross the M1 somewhere between here and the city. It's a choice between who's lurking in the shadows or a detour of a few miles. You'll be carrying the rucksack, Yusuf, seeing as Jake's going to be scouting ahead, and I'm too old.”

“Fine, fine, but I don't like it,” Jake grumbled. 





In the event, it was fine as we passed from the dappled sunlight of the overgrown track into the cool, damp shade beneath the motorway bridge. Blackened scorch marks and smoke trails obscured some of the decades old graffiti on the concrete, and a ring of boulders marked a fire pit. Whoever left it there hadn't cleared up after them, and I couldn't help wondering if I'd been overconfident after all. The enclosed space echoed with distant memories from my childhood. 

Once the potential trouble spot was cleared, Jake forged ahead on the path, senses alert for any danger. I turned to Yusuf, wanting to break the silence that had fallen over me in the bridge's chilly underbelly.

“I remember when that motorway was newly built,” I said, pointing back with my thumb. “I saw the last train on this track before it was ripped up and made into a footpath. I was only a toddler, but I saw it.”

“You are a local man, then?” Yusuf replied, politely.

“Oh, yes. This used to be my playground as a boy. That bridge was my limit. My parents always said I should never go any further from home than there.”

“And you obeyed?”

“Did I heck! The best blackberry picking was always on the far side of the bridge,” I laughed. 
“What about you, Yusuf? Where did you grow up?”

“My parents came over from Pakistan, but I was born in Leicester. They would be about your age, I guess.”

“Would?” I asked, tentatively.

“They were on the Last Hajj.”

“I'm sorry.” I didn't know what else to say. What can you say?

“We weren't close,” he added. “They disowned me.” 

“Even so...”

“They said Allah hates gays,” Yusuf continued, the revelations coming thick and fast, I thought. “Otherwise I would have been with them. On the Hajj, I mean.”

“You miss them, though, surely?” It felt trite, even as I spoke. 

“They put me out of their hearts. I returned the favour. I got used to being alone.” There was a vehemence to his voice, as though he was trying to convince himself, too. 

“So that's why you wound up at New Alchemy?”

“Yes. At first the community just shunned me when they found out I was gay, but after … that ... I couldn't go to the mosque any more. How could I pray when I literally had to face what had happened, what my fellow Muslims had done? I helped protect our neighbourhood from the nationalist thugs and then the rioters, but it was my own neighbours who burnt my house and chased me out. So here I am. A lonely, gay, apostate outcast. I feel like I'm everyone's scapegoat some days.”

The last ten years or so haven't been easy for anyone, but I could understand how difficult it had been for Yusuf. 

“Well, there'll be none of that at the farm,” I said. 

“No. I'm glad of that, you're the first people to treat me like I'm not everything that's gone wrong in the world. It feels like a bubble of sanity in a sea of crazy.” 

“We've had our share of crazy, too, but it seems to be calming down again now.” At least, as long as Christina stays on the right side of the Squire, I thought to myself. I'm still not quite sure what sort of a deal she's done, but he's someone we need inside the tent, as they say, and he has brought back some sense of order around the villages. Not exactly law, but order at least. That's a start.

We paced side by side for a few minutes in silence, then bumped up against Jake crouching beneath the cascading foliage overhanging the path. He gestured for us to be quiet and edged forward, pulling out his treasured binoculars. Jake spent a couple of minutes scanning the surrounding area, then, satisfied, he waved us on once more. We broke cover on to the street of what used to be a quiet country town. A boarded up pub, opposing rows of once-desirable houses, then on the bend in the road, the irony of a petrol station, forlorn and silent.

This had once been a good neighbourhood, with the misfortune of lying too close to a bad one. We would be skirting the bad neighbourhood for a while after we made it to the A50, but that had become just as depopulated as this town. The area had suffered disproportionately during the second wave of fuel protests. I'd heard the stories, but I hadn't seen it with my own eyes. In the year 2000 the truckers' blockades had come close to toppling the government, but in the second wave a few years ago they didn't stop the protests after three days. The government had learnt from previous experience, though, and troops hit the streets once the riots began.

Yusuf barely batted an eyelid at the damage. He'd been in the city at the time, and had seen much worse, he told me. Luckily we'd been reasonably isolated on the farm, except that it was about this time the Squire had started making a name for himself, but he was strictly poacher then, his conversion to gamekeeper still ahead of him.

Jake had us through the burnt out streets in next to no time, and the wide avenue of the A50 opened out before us. Up ahead a small band of travellers were also on their way towards the city, clearly traders heading for the market. Thursday had been market day since Domesday, a thousand-year tradition persisting through all the tumults and disruptions of English history, and persisting still, regardless of any central authority to uphold the ancient Royal Charter. There had been a market on the Thursday before Richard III marched his army out of the city towards Bosworth Field, and again on the Thursday after his naked and broken corpse returned, draped across a horse's saddle. Neither Cromwell nor the Luftwaffe had broken the rhythm of commerce, but the fuel protesters had come close. People still trudged to the city with their wares, and we trudged along with our own. The land rose steeply here, and Yusuf groaned quietly and shucked the rucksack on his shoulders until it sat more comfortably.

“Cheer up, laddie,” Jake called. “The doc's just ahead now.” The Scottish veteran had relaxed somewhat on seeing the other travellers, further indication that the recent banditry had been suppressed, for a while at least. 





The cluster of low, squat buildings where Dr. John Jackson runs his clinic still glories in the title of hospital, although most of the abandoned buildings were mothballed in the austerity years, whilst others fell into disuse more chaotically as the services became impossible given the constrained resources available more recently. What began under the guise of regionalisation, the concentration of services into 'centres of excellence', amounted to little more than the withdrawal of the legions and an off-hand note that us provincials should 'look to our own defences' as the centre, that is to say London, looked out for itself. A generation of medics raised and trained in the high-tech NHS of the early 21st century found their skills too abstract and specialised to cope. Front-line healthcare fell to an ever ageing cadre of GPs with memories and training from a less sophisticated time, and they struggle on, training the few driven acolytes willing to relearn medical basics and adapt to a new reality. Dr. John was at least ten years my senior, any thought of retirement long gone, erased by the need to pass on the torch before it sputtered out.

We halted at the gate to the grounds, and a guard with all the looks of another veteran peered through the chain link at the three of us.

“Morning, gentlemen,” he growled, wary eyes looking us up and down. “State your business, please.”

“Supplies for Dr. Jackson,” I told him, but he still eyed Yusuf suspiciously, the bulging backpack evidently causing him some concern.

“He's in surgery. Got an appointment?”

We hadn't, so I gave the guard my name. 

“Step back from the gate, gentlemen.” A quick whistle summoned a boy from the shade of the ramshackle shed that stood nearby, and the guard spoke a few words into his ear before the youngster scampered off towards a curve in the path and disappeared between the overgrown rhododendrons that grew in patches throughout the grounds.

We sat on the verge and passed around the water bottle as we waited. We didn't speak much, Yusuf just muttered a comment about being everyone's scapegoat once again, and Jake quietly surveyed the small groups of people passing along the road to the weekly market. Occasionally guards passed us as they patrolled inside the hospital fence, each casting a wary eye over us and exchanging meaningful glances with the gate keeper. Resounding footsteps heralded the return of the message boy and we were admitted.





“Michael, so good to see you in person. How are you keeping? What have you got for us today?” Dr. John's greeting was effusive, and the man had a nervous energy, almost birdlike with his thin frame and flapping voluminous white coat. He had come into his waiting room to meet us. Before leading us through to the dispensary he had a quick, reassuring word with the next waiting patient. The young woman sported a ragged mass of bandages on her forearm, and she nodded apprehensively as Dr. John explained that his assistant, Martyna, would redress her burns.

The dispensary was a large room, edged with cupboards, the walls lined with shelves above the work surfaces. Although the hospital could still generate a trickle of electricity, there was only enough for a few lights. Old, yellowed power sockets clustered redundantly around the work spaces, and all the equipment was manual. Where once digital scales had stood, a glass-cased apothecary balance with brass weights held pride of place. Beside it, a polished tablet press, a rack of ointment spatulas and marble mixing slabs. Mortars nestled in a stack like Russian dolls. An ancient autoclave sat atop a gas burner, fed by a rubber tube which snaked its way from a hole hacked into the wall and crudely resealed with plaster of Paris.

The shelves would once have held phalanxes of cardboard boxes, their bright colours and commercial logos lined up in a parade of proprietary synonyms and intellectual property rights. Now, nearly all the blister-packed petrochemical by-products were gone, replaced by the hand-labelled bottles and jars of dried herbs. The few staple medicines that occasionally found their way out of London filled no more than two or three shelves.

Jake found himself a chair and promptly nodded off to sleep, as old soldiers are wont to do when they can. Yusuf gratefully shed the burden of his backpack, and under Dr. John Jackson's eager eyes, decanted the containers inside on to a clear patch of the bench. 

Dr. John instantly eyed the dark brown glass bottle. “Iodine?” 

“Yes," I replied. "Alcoholic tincture. You mentioned in your last letter that antiseptics were getting scarce.”

“I did, I did, thank you! But how...?”

“Not easy. We had to trade for this. We could make it ourselves, but we can't haul enough kelp this far inland, and there's still sulphuric acid to find. Anyway, that's going to cost you some silver.”

“Not a problem, Michael. It's worth its weight in gold and not a moment too soon. Did you get a whiff of that bandage when you came through?”

Two clear glass bottles containing distilled alcohol were next, and Dr. John nodded eagerly, already seeing uses for the new materials. 

“These are our own,” I said as Yusuf placed out the smaller bottles containing essential oils. 
“Peppermint, lavender, eucalyptus and wintergreen. You will need to assay them to sort out doses,” I cautioned. We do what we can to standardise the products, but variations in the weather and individual plants mean it's always an imprecise art. Precision was one more of the luxuries that went away with the loss of industrial pharmaceutics. 

Next followed the salves and ointments in screw-top jars. “Arnica, calendula, echinacea,” I announced each tub as Yusuf reached into the pack. “There's also some echinacea extract,” I added.

By now there were only the paper wraps of dried herbs left. 

“We've got something new for you this time.” I beamed. “For your insomniacs, neurotics and worriers. Valerian root. We managed to acquire some seed a couple of years ago and have finally gone into production. Treat it as a mid-range sedative. More potent than chamomile, and saves your opium for pain-relief.”

“I'll file it under 'valium', then,” the aged medic laughed. “There's not been much to replace the benzodiazepines to date.”

The backpack was nearly empty by now, and Yusuf placed the final bags of herbs on the counter top. Dr. John read off the labels. “Chamomile, good. Digitalis, feverfew, willow bark, excellent. And these?” He held up the last two small bags, which were unlabelled.

I spoke quietly. “You mentioned some... ah, delicate... requirements when you wrote last.”

Dr. John nodded gravely as he peered into each bag and sniffed at the contents. The bitter tang of rue and the aromatic pungency of pennyroyal assailed his nostrils and he slipped the herbs into a nearby drawer, which he locked with a small, brass key. Regardless of the need, given the moral climate, some things are best left unspoken.

The medic was as good as his word and handed over the silver coins. I woke Jake and he stashed the payment in an inside pocket.

“Is there anything else you need, John?” I asked.

“Apart from everything?” he replied ruefully. “We really need quinine, but there's none to be had. The malaria is spreading northwards, you know. I don't know if quinine is even still being imported or if it's something else they're hoarding in London.”

“There's nothing we can do for that, I'm afraid. We can produce citronella for mosquito repellent, but nothing more.”

“No, I guessed as much. It's getting harder every day, Michael,” he confided. “Some days I feel like the little Dutch boy with my finger in the dike, holding back the tide of diseases we thought we'd defeated. A lot of the time palliative care is the best we can offer. Sometimes I find myself wishing for the old days, when the surgery was filled with the worried well, when everyone wanted antibiotics for their colds and sniffles.”

“So what do you give them now? Rose-hip syrup?” I asked.

“Exactly, but there's not many who come in with colds nowadays. They save their silver for the children. Since we've had no vaccines, childhood illnesses are back in force. So many of my younger colleagues had never seen them before. We are all learning forgotten lessons all over again. Let's face it, we're almost back to Culpeper, Michael. We've just dropped the astrology in favour of germ theory.”





We took our leave of the medic and he hurried back to Martyna in the surgery, clutching the iodine tincture almost as a talisman. Back on the road, the market traffic was steady and I could see a donkey cart ahead of us, heaped with new potatoes, standing proud above the scattered walkers with their packs. Clearly some groups had travelled together for mutual protection, but the huddles were loosening somewhat now the city was in sight. As we crested the hill we could see out across the rooftops, hazy with the wood smoke which settled in the valley. We had made good time after all, and it was not yet noon. 

Yusuf, free of his burden, had more of a spring in his step, but Jake was more guarded with his own burden of a pocketful of silver. We walked on towards our next meeting. There were a few stationary figures posted at intervals along the road. Hard looking men squinted in the sunlight, a preponderance of red showing in their clothing. Most sported lengths of polished wood that could serve as clubs or staves, some of which resembled, and probably were, old police truncheons.

Jake caught my sidelong gaze as we passed one group. “The Mayor's men,” he hissed. I felt no more comfortable for their reassuring presence than I had felt driving past the speed camera vans that had used to lurk on the verge. Yusuf, I noticed, was gazing intently at his feet as we passed the watchmen.

Occasionally we saw small children sitting on a garden wall, bucket and shovel to hand, ready to dive out and retrieve anything the few horses or other draught animals may deposit on the ancient, pot-holed tarmac. In an isolated island struggling to feed itself, every scrap of fertility is valuable, either for the family garden or to exchange for food with others. 

The changes in the city, the destruction and dereliction, were shocking to me, but then so were some of the things that had survived the troubles of the past decade. Between the highway and the slum estate, the large allotment gardens still produced, barricaded behind rusted wire and unruly hawthorn hedges, busier now with gardeners than ever I saw in my youth. 

As we crossed the first of the bridges that marked the ancient boundary of the city, I was reminded of Dr. John's revelation. The water was turgid and mud showed along the edges, the Soar's flow reduced dramatically. Sure enough, there amongst the silted islands and willow regrowth, stagnant water pooled, lying in wait for mosquitoes and malaria. 

Beyond the bridge, on the island formed between the river's natural course and the canalised, navigable route, lay what used to be a vibrant light industrial zone. I can just about remember it being vibrant, anyway, but the fires in vacant factories had started long before the last recession, when it was still possible to insure the buildings. After that it went through a twilight phase of car-washes on vacant lots, a half-hearted redevelopment scheme that embarrassed a few city councillors and saw a few more incarcerated, and finally it had become a haven for urban wildlife, largely ignored as the windblown buddleias had worked their roots into powdery mortar. The shuffling figures I could see amongst the debris and rubble were being watched over by more of the hard-faced men in red. Picks and hammers worked at the stone and brick, whilst carts trundled in empty, and out again laden with beams, girders and carefully sorted masonry. As I peered through the fence I could see the ropes hobbling the workers and binding them into teams. They clearly were not there voluntarily.

I was roused from my musings by a shout from one of the watchmen on the bridge. “Keep moving there!” Jake pulled at my arm, and I stumbled after him.

“Don't draw attention,” he whispered. “They'll think we're planning a breakout.”

We moved on quickly, until we reached the second bridge where the mayor's salvage wagons and the market traffic combined to form a snarling bottleneck in the narrow carriageway. Once we had cleared the crush, it was time for us to part from the crowd, as our route wouldn't be taking us to the market.

“OK, Yusuf, which way now?” I asked

“The Muslim enclave. When we get there, please, let me do the talking.”

Christina hadn't told me much about the candidate, just that she was very keen he should join us. I'd asked her why, but she'd just said 'You'll see'. I had pressed her on how she could be so sure about someone she'd not even met. She had just said that she didn't want to raise my hopes and that the final decision was mine.

The enclave was a neighbourhood of two-up two-down terraces, and as we approached, I could see barricades across the narrow street. Yusuf walked ahead, Jake and I following close behind.

Salaam elaikum,” he called out. At first there was no answer, then an upstairs window opened just beyond the barrier, someone peered out and a brief exchange in Urdu followed.

“We must wait, my grandfather is coming,” Yusuf translated. 





Hafiz, the grandfather, the candidate although he didn't know it yet, led us through the silent street to his home. Yusuf was looking nervous, as well he might entering a neighbourhood that had once turned against him. For my part, I was dismayed. Hafiz must have been older even than Dr. John, and less sprightly, too. Had Christina realised his age? My intention to be back at the farm by nightfall was beginning to look impractical, to say the least. Even Jake raised a querying eyebrow at me. I couldn't see this working out well, any way I looked at it. We were going to have to hire a cart, and staying overnight would mean we'd miss the market traders heading out of town.

The small, terraced house was cool inside, a relief from the sun that was finally burning through the haze outside.

“So, Yusuf, you have come back to us.” The tone in Hafiz's voice seemed more reproachful than welcoming.

“Not to stay, grandfather.”

“You can if you want. Why not?”

“You know why not. For the same reason I had to leave in the first place.”

The grandfather looked wistful. “Things have changed. In the community, I mean, a lot can be forgiven. We need young men, Yusuf, you belong with other Muslims.”

“There are no Muslims, grandfather!” Yusuf almost shouted. “It's over. How can you still believe after...”

“He was my son!” Hafiz snapped back. “You think I don't feel it, too?”

“I'm sorry. I didn't come here to argue. You're all the family I have left, we should stick together, not fight.”

Hafiz nodded, assenting to the truce. “So why are you here? You and your friends.”

“I, we, want you to join us,” Yusuf began. “It's not safe for you here. We have a farm, outside the city. Your experience would be valued, more than it is here.”

“I'm safe enough here, Yusuf,” the older man countered. “You've been gone two years. It's safer now.”

Yusuf snorted. “Hnnn! Safer? Why are the barricades still standing? Why else do you need young men?”

“It's years since the last riots,” Hafiz said. “It's true, the nationalists still cause some trouble, but we can protect ourselves. I'm too old for farm work now, anyway.”

“We need you as a teacher, not a labourer. Teach me. Let me look after you.”

At this, Hafiz turned to me, scepticism clear in his voice. “So what is this farm my grandson is talking about? What use is an old man like me?” 

I was beginning to wonder about that myself, and suddenly found myself in the spotlight. “Well, as Yusuf said, it's outside the city. We've been running over twenty-five years now, ever since the big recession. A few of us were out of work, so we got together and tried to make a living growing food, but the fuel crisis made us rethink things quite a bit.”

Hafiz nodded. “Everyone had to rethink things then. I had just moved to England to be with my family. It was not a good time to be a Muslim here, not when the Saudis stopped exporting their oil. Everybody blamed us! We were the evil Muslims keeping all the oil.”

“Aye, you and the Scots alike,” interjected Jake. 

“I should have stayed on my own farm,” continued Hafiz. “Life was simpler, even when the Taliban were trying to tell us what we can and can't grow. But when my wife died, Yusuf's father said I should come here to live with them. Then there was the so-called Saudi Spring, he went off on Hajj all excited about the new republic and never came back. All I have now is this godless grandson who never comes to see me.”

At first the world had cheered on the Saudi Spring, the al Saud regime was toppled but the 'democratic revolution' turned to bitter, sectarian civil war and thousands of pilgrims were trapped. Outside forces were rumoured to be at play, as they always are. Which faction, or nation, deployed the weapon that caused the ultimate atrocity can never be known for sure, but the destruction of Mecca and the Last Hajj plunged the Islamic world into crisis. The faith of millions was shattered and the world reeled. Yusuf and his grandfather had found themselves on opposite sides of a great divide. Yusuf's faith was blasted and his god destroyed; Hafiz's faith tested beyond bearing, but unbroken.

“I can't put everything right, grandfather, but there's a place on our farm for you, if only you'll come,” tried Yusuf once more. “And I promise, I'll see you every day so you can pass on your knowledge.”

Hafiz blinked away what seemed to be a tear and asked, “What's so different about this farm that it has a place for a man like me?”

I continued with my short history of the farm. “After the fuel crisis, transport became difficult and getting bulky crops to market was a struggle and barely worth it. So we decided to grow food only for ourselves and I returned to my roots, as it were. Before, I had been a pharmacist, so I knew what a world oil shortage could do to the pharmaceutical industry. We converted as much land as we could to medicinal crops and collected all the herbs we could find to build up a seed bank. Maintaining the genetic stock is vital, but the collection is far from complete.”

Suddenly, Hafiz's expression changed. He beamed a wide smile at Yusuf. “Now, I understand. All right, Yusuf, I'll teach you everything I know. I thought the tradition would die with me. Your father never approved, you know.” 

Jake and I were both surprised at the suddenness of the reconciliation, but Hafiz turned to me and said “Come, come. You must see my garden, then you'll understand the gift Yusuf has given me.”

As I stepped out into the narrow back yard, realisation dawned on me, too. To one side of the path a host of shimmering poppies, on the other an unmistakeable mass of serrated, fingered leaves, fragrant in the heat of the day.

“Swat Valley's finest!” Hafiz exclaimed, with pride in his voice.

Christina had known all along I would accept the new candidate. Hafiz's knowledge, and his seed stock, would be invaluable to the farm.

“This farm of yours,” Hafiz asked, “What is it called?”

Yusuf spoke before I could open my mouth. “New Alchemy Farm, grandfather.”

“Ah, yes. Al-kimiya. That's a good Islamic word.”